(Updated at 4:11 EST to add a point about Revelation 18:24 which I forgot to include, but intended to include when this article was originally published)
I have provided my thoughts about whether New York City and Babylon (in Iraq) are potential candidates to be Babylon the Great City mentioned in Revelation 17 and Revelation 18 over the past week in separate articles. I have provided items to consider in favor of each city and items to consider against each city in these articles.
Today I share my current thoughts on whether Jerusalem has potential to be Babylon the Great City. Like my articles assessing whether New York City and whether Babylon in Iraq have potential, I offer items to consider in favor of Jerusalem and items to consider against Jerusalem.
- Note: I acknowledged last week that I have viewed Jerusalem as the top candidate to be Babylon the Great City in the past. However, I am currently reevaluating my stance on the topic of the identity of Babylon the Great City after feeling the need to reexamine the topic before continuing my ongoing study of Ezekiel 38, Ezekiel 39, and other related Bible prophecy verses and encountering some objections/counterpoints to the idea that Jerusalem = Babylon the Great City. Consequently, this article evaluates Jerusalem’s potential to be Babylon the Great City in a far more critical manner than my past article about the topic. I will give you items to consider for the city and items to consider against the city in this article that were not mention in my past article about the topic.
1. Babylon the Great is identified as a “great city” in Revelation 17:18. Jerusalem is identified as a “great city” in Revelation 11:8:
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
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Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
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2. Babylon the Great is a harlot. Jerusalem is referred to as a “harlot” in Bible prophecy.
- Isa 1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
- Isa 1:21 How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
3. Jerusalem is not exempt from receiving some sort of judgment during the End Times. For instance, Jeremiah 25:15-18, prophecy verses which I believe refer to the future, mentions that Jerusalem will drink from the cup of the Lord’s hand (wrath):
- Jer 25:15 For thus saith the LORD God of Israel unto me; Take the wine cup of this fury at my hand, and cause all the nations, to whom I send thee, to drink it.
- Jer 25:16 And they shall drink, and be moved, and be mad, because of the sword that I will send among them.
- Jer 25:17 Then took I the cup at the LORD'S hand, and made all the nations to drink, unto whom the LORD had sent me:
- Jer 25:18 To wit, Jerusalem, and the cities of Judah, and the kings thereof, and the princes thereof, to make them a desolation, an astonishment, an hissing, and a curse; as it is this day;
In addition, Isaiah 1:27 and Isaiah 4:4 suggest that Jerusalem will be redeemed through judgment:
- Isa 1:27 Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.
- Isa 4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
4. There are some similarities between Bible prophecy verses concerning Jerusalem’s judgment and Bible prophecy verses concerning Babylon the Great’s judgment. The following tables are examples of where these similarities can be found.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
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Isa 40:2 Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.
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Isa 51:17 Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, which hast drunk at the hand of the LORD the cup of his fury; thou hast drunken the dregs of the cup of trembling, and wrung them out.
Isa 51:18 There is none to guide her among all the sons whom she hath brought forth; neither is there any that taketh her by the hand of all the sons that she hath brought up.
Isa 51:19 These two things are come unto thee; who shall be sorry for thee? desolation, and destruction, and the famine, and the sword: by whom shall I comfort thee?
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Eze 7:15 The sword is without, and the pestilence and the famine within: he that is in the field shall die with the sword; and he that is in the city, famine and pestilence shall devour him.
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Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
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5. Some scholars have noticed a parallel between what the harlot wears and what a Jewish high priest in Old Testament times wore. According to Gregory K. Beale, Exodus 28’s description of a Jewish high priest’s garments and Revelation 17:4’s description of the harlot’s adornment is identical in the Greek language.[1] Beale and others argue that this connection suggests that the harlot will play a religious role for the beast (Antichrist).
Scholars who favor the Jerusalem = Babylon the Great theory argue that Jerusalem will be a city that will promote the beast’s (Antichrist’s) religious agenda since the Antichrist will sit in the Lord’s temple and proclaim himself to be God.
- 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
- 2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
6. Revelation 18:24 notes that the blood of prophets and of saints is found in Babylon the Great City.
- Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
- Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
- Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
- Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Although I see Jerusalem as a possibility that merits a lot of consideration, there are some issues that I think proponents of Jerusalem = Babylon the Great need to consider. Here are some of the issues that come to mind immediately
1. Revelation 16:19 distinguishes the “great city” from the cities of the nations and Babylon the Great. A skeptic could argue that Revelation 16:19 is evidence that Jerusalem is not Babylon the Great because the text seems to distinguish between the great city and Babylon the Great.
- Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
2. Revelation 18:21 is a difficult verse for Jerusalem proponents to reconcile. Revelation 18:21 says that Babylon the Great City "shall be found no more at all":
- Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
The reason Revelation 18:21 is difficult for Jerusalem proponents to reconcile is that there are several Bible prophecy chapters that suggest that Jerusalem will be inhabited again and that the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem. For instance, check out Zechariah 12:6-8:
- Zec 12:6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.
- Zec 12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
- Zec 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
Similarly, several Bible prophecy passages suggest that the Lord will dwell in Zion/Jerusalem in the future.
Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
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Mic 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
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Joe 3:17 So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.
Joe 3:18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim.
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3. Ezekiel 5 is a chapter that many people assume describes the attack of Jerusalem by the Babylonian Empire. Verse 5:9 contains a statement that should not be completely ignored by Jerusalem = Babylon the Great proponents. The verse suggests that the Lord will not judge Jerusalem in such a way again.
- Eze 5:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD; This is Jerusalem: I have set it in the midst of the nations and countries that are round about her.
- Eze 5:6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.
- Eze 5:7 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because ye multiplied more than the nations that are round about you, and have not walked in my statutes, neither have kept my judgments, neither have done according to the judgments of the nations that are round about you;
- Eze 5:8 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, am against thee, and will execute judgments in the midst of thee in the sight of the nations.
- Eze 5:9 And I will do in thee that which I have not done, and whereunto I will not do any more the like, because of all thine abominations.
The siege of Jerusalem by the Babylonians left the city in ruins.
- 2Ki 25:1 And it came to pass in the ninth year of his reign, in the tenth month, in the tenth day of the month, that Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came, he, and all his host, against Jerusalem, and pitched against it; and they built forts against it round about.
- 2Ki 25:2 And the city was besieged unto the eleventh year of king Zedekiah.
- 2Ki 25:3 And on the ninth day of the fourth month the famine prevailed in the city, and there was no bread for the people of the land.
- 2Ki 25:4 And the city was broken up, and all the men of war fled by night by the way of the gate between two walls, which is by the king's garden: (now the Chaldees were against the city round about:) and the king went the way toward the plain.
- 2Ki 25:5 And the army of the Chaldees pursued after the king, and overtook him in the plains of Jericho: and all his army were scattered from him.
- 2Ki 25:6 So they took the king, and brought him up to the king of Babylon to Riblah; and they gave judgment upon him.
- 2Ki 25:7 And they slew the sons of Zedekiah before his eyes, and put out the eyes of Zedekiah, and bound him with fetters of brass, and carried him to Babylon.
- 2Ki 25:8 And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month, which is the nineteenth year of king Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, a servant of the king of Babylon, unto Jerusalem:
- 2Ki 25:9 And he burnt the house of the LORD, and the king's house, and all the houses of Jerusalem, and every great man's house burnt he with fire.
The challenge here for Jerusalem = Babylon the Great proponents is to demonstrate that Ezekiel 5 has some fulfillment in the future, especially verse 5:9.
4. Some people believe that Jeremiah 51:24 and Jeremiah 51:35 are part of a prophecy describing the fall of Babylon the Great. Both these verses mention that what “Babylon” has done to Zion/Jerusalem is part of the reason why it will be punished.
- Jer 51:24 And I will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all their evil that they have done in Zion in your sight, saith the LORD.
- Jer 51:35 The violence done to me and to my flesh be upon Babylon, shall the inhabitant of Zion say; and my blood upon the inhabitants of Chaldea, shall Jerusalem say.
If Jeremiah 51 concerns the destruction of Babylon the Great then Jerusalem cannot be Babylon the Great since “Babylon” is being punished for what it has done to Jerusalem/Zion.
I feel I still need to study the topic of Babylon the Great more and weigh the merits of each candidate under consideration before deciding whether to maintain my previous stance or to change my stance on the identity of Babylon the Great City (I am not afraid to change my stance on the city's identity). I plan to continue studying this topic for the foreseeable future since I need to be fully comfortable with who I think is Babylon the Great City is before continuing work on my ongoing Ezekiel 38, Ezekiel 39, and other related Bible prophecy chapters study.
Reference
[1] Beale, Gregory K. The Book of Revelation: A Commentary on the Greek Text, New International Greek Testament Commentary, ed. I. Howard Marshall and Donald A. Hagner (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1999), Pg 886, citing Exod 25:3-7; 28:5-9, 28:15–20, 35:6; 36:9–12; 36:15–21 LXX.

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I agree with you about it being Jerusalem. I have been doing a verse by verse series on this theory. I just got done with a part of the study that dealt with the specific objections you raised in this post: http://vimeo.com/30819418
I'm currently reevaluating my position on this issue after a few readers brought up some issues I thought were worth considering closely. I'm considering several candidates at the moment include Babylon, New York City, and Jerusalem. My position may change from the one I stated in this article at the completion of my study.
Some of my more recent thoughts on the identity of Babylon the Great are available here:
Jerusalem: http://bit.ly/mgYyrh
Babylon: http://bit.ly/ltJdB2
New York City: http://bit.ly/lUglpH
Yes I understand. Are there any other issues that your readers brought up other than the ones I covered in the video in other words, the ones you have posted in this blog?
Your video is very good and quite convincing, but I have problems reconciling that view with other verses, such as some of the following. It would seem from these verses that it could not be Jerusalem, as the Jews are to flee Babylon and declare in or go to Zion when they escape and tell of her destruction. As these two chapters in Jeremiah are all about the final judgment on Babylon, it leaves a serious problem with Babylon being Jerusalem. Out of curiosity, can you reconcile them to your viewpoint?
Jer. 50:28 "The voice of them that flee and escape out of the land of Babylon, to
declare in Zion the vengeance of the LORD our God, the vengeance of his
temple."
Jer. 51:4-6 "Thus the slain shall fall in the land of the Chaldeans, and they that are thrust through in her streets. For Israel hath not been forsaken, nor Judah of his God, of the LORD of
hosts; though their land was filled with sin against the Holy One of
Israel. Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver
every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time
of the LORD's vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence."
Jer. 51:9-10 "We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and
let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto
heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies. The LORD hath brought forth our righteousness: come, and let us declare in Zion the work of the LORD our God."
Jer. 51:35 "The violence done to me and to my flesh be upon Babylon, shall the
inhabitant of Zion say; and my blood upon the inhabitants of Chaldea,
shall Jerusalem say."
Jer. 51:49-50 " As Babylon hath caused the slain of Israel to fall, so at Babylon shall fall the slain of all the earth. Ye that have escaped the sword, go away, stand not still: remember the LORD afar off, and let Jerusalem come into your mind."
I didn't address the issue of Jer 50 because I dont consider it relevant. I have no problem with it being solely about Babylon, although I suspect that this is one of the reasons that the title "Mystery Babylon" is given to Jerusalem. But Im not dogmatic on that point.
This only becomes and issue is someone tries to prove that MB is Jerusalem based only on Jer 50, I have not referenced it in my study for the same reasons. But as you can tell there is no reason to. Even if you limited your referencing to post exilic prophets alone you would have more than enough evidence to convict MB as being Jerusalem in my opinion. If you want to see my other studies they can be found here:
http://vimeo.com/29743779
http://vimeo.com/30041446
http://vimeo.com/30460116
The other issue on this blog I only addressed briefly is this:
" Revelation 16:19 distinguishes the “great city”
from the cities of the nations and Babylon the Great. A skeptic could
argue that Revelation 16:19 is evidence that Jerusalem is not Babylon
the Great because the text seems to distinguish between the great city
and Babylon the Great.
Rev
16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities
of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God,
to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath."
In my video I referenced this passage as support for MB being Jerusalem because it contrasts the" great city" with the city of the nations. Although when it is sited here thr translation makes it seem as though MB is a third party because of the "and" as in "and great Babylon" as opposed to the referent of the "great city"
I can be confident of this because the other passage in Revelation makes it quite clear.
Rev 14:8 And another angel followed, saying, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."
In addition the "great city" is clearly defined by John as Jerusalem here:
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
I commend you for attempting to take on Revelation
18:21. Many people defending Jerusalem =
Babylon the Great do not take on this verse.
There are passages in Zechariah 12 and Zechariah 14 which
suggest that the Lord will defend Jerusalem from the nations. One may ask why the Lord will defend
Jerusalem when it will be destroyed according to the Jerusalem = Babylon the
Great theory.
Another thing to consider is the identification of the “great
city” as Sodom in Revelation 11:8. Some
have questioned why Jerusalem = Babylon the Great when Revelation 11:8
identifies it as Sodom.
I guess if you consider the Old Testament prophecies about Babylon irrelevant, that would explain why you would not think it is anything but Jerusalem.
I think chapters like Isaiah 47, Jeremiah 50, and Jeremiah 51 have end times relevance. I think they have to be accounted for.
I dont consider the irrelevant, I simply dont think it is necessary part of the argument in regard to MB being Jerusalem. I can take it or leave it. I probably wont use it in the study, just to avoid anyone making a charge like the one you are making.
Have you read Charles Coopers exposition of Zechariah 14 in his book Fight, Fight or Faith? Basically he sees it as simple, and chronological, It only seems difficult because many people do not take into account the 30 day and 45 day periods that follow the end of the 70th week.
Of course I didnt say " Old Testament prophecies about Babylon" were irrelevant. I said the passages in Jer 50 are not a necessary component to this interpretation. I also reiterated that I could get the same OT confirmation using only post exilic prophets. (I.E. the Old Testament)
The Sodom thing is easy:
In Isaiah, chapter 1, after declaring that he had a "vision…concerning Judah and Jerusalem" (verse 1), Isaiah wrote, "Hear the words of the Lord, you rulers of Sodom…" In Jeremiah 23:14, because of the adulterous prophets, God said that Jerusalem and her inhabitants had "become to Me like Sodom."
The reason I mentioned the Sodom issue is that the charge is
also made in Isaiah 3. Isaiah 3 is a
chapter which I think has potential relevance to the end times. The destruction in Isaiah 3 does not seem to
be the complete annihilation that the destruction described in Revelation 18
appears to be. The idea under consideration is
that Jerusalem is judged, but it is for being the spiritual Sodom in Revelation
11:8.
I don’t own that particular book, but I am aware of Cooper’s
position on the Babylon the Great issue through Revelation Commentary (which I
use as a reference). I’m curious (since
I don’t own the book) does Cooper try to link Ezekiel 7 with Zechariah 12 and
Zechariah 14?
Actually its interesting. Cooper doesnt seem to endorse any particular theory in the commentary, I could be wrong, but he did endorse the MB is Jerusalem theory in a recent (2011) class on the book of Revelation where he said he was "99.9%" dogmatic about it being Jerusalem.
"does Cooper try to link Ezekiel 7 with Zechariah 12 and Zechariah 14?"
Im not sure, Ill go check it out, I dont think so. I should mention that Zech 14 is more of a triumphant thing for faithful Israel, It would coincide with the end of the 70th week and the Jewish peoples redemption. This is followed by the seven bowl judgments, one of which is the destruction of MB. I do remember him making a case for a significant amount of time between verse 1-2 and the rest of the chapter. Its kind of difficult because the salvation of Israel is just before the destruction of old Jerusalem. But once you plug in the 30 and 45 day periods it all seemed to make sense for me.
Well whatever interpretation must also include Egypt as it too is mentioned. I think this is a precedent for calling Israel by place names that it is resembling at a given time.
It seemed to me that he endorsed Jerusalem = MB theory in the commentary. If he did not, he at least went out of the way to make a case for it.
I think Ezekiel 7 is at least linked to Zechariah 12:2 in that the siege described in Ezekiel 7 is a detailed overview of the siege of Zechariah 12:2.
An interesting article to consider: ZECHARIAH IN RELATION TO
EZEKIEL 40-48 by CAMERON MACKAY http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/eq/1968-4_197.pdf
Thanks for the link
Your study is all about the option of Jerusalem being the great city but why dont you try ROME to be your subject of study and juxtapose it to the great city and see what comes out?
I have written articles about other cities besides Jerusalem. I may still do an article on Rome in the future.
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