tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post6701476112508999219..comments2023-09-05T01:46:18.274-07:00Comments on Prophecy Proof Insights: Critiquing the September 23, 2015 Rapture SpeculationUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-26083171572194035182013-12-23T12:48:28.758-08:002013-12-23T12:48:28.758-08:00It's been three years since I posted last, and...It's been three years since I posted last, and a lot has happened in my understanding of things of the bible. I now do not believe that there will be a pre-tribulation rapture. This is taken from the bible doctrine of dispensationalism which tells of separate promises to the Jews in distinction from Christians.<br /><br />God is no respecter of persons....Acts 10:34, for one. <br /><br />Due to the Zionist plans for world domination, many of the teachings of the dispensationalists view bible scripture from footnotes rather than from the context of the verses. This is "private interpretation" of which we are warned in II Peter 1:20.<br /><br />Also, the interpretation of Daniel 9:27 has been misinterpreted. The "he" is a reference back to the word "Messiah" and not the "people" in the previous verse. One must interpret the English written grammar that "people" cannot refer to "he"....as one is plural and the other is singular.<br /><br />Dispensationalists also talk of a "peace treaty" to be signed in the "middle of the week". However, this "confirm the covenant" refers to what Jesus did on the Cross of Calvary. This is verified in Galatians 3:17. Scripture has to be compared with scripture for proper interpretation.<br /><br />Nothing seems to signify a pre-tribulation rapture. We are told it will be at the last trumpet, and there is nothing pre-tribulation about that. What the bible tells us that we are to watch for is the manifestation of the sons of God. This is told to us in Romans 8:19. Whether this refers to the "man child" in Revelation 12....I am not yet sure.Arlenenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-4938909777028317962013-12-23T01:35:58.909-08:002013-12-23T01:35:58.909-08:00my birthday...my birthday...Sean Allennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-83240177021847482712013-12-08T13:09:56.787-08:002013-12-08T13:09:56.787-08:00There is nowhere in the Bible that supports the ar...There is nowhere in the Bible that supports the argument that the rapture occurs before the tribulation. I urge you to re-read Matthew 24:29-31 where it says the following: The rapture doesn't occur until after the tribulation. Any preacher who is teaching a pre-trib is leading Christians to accept a false Christ who will show up at the beginning of the tribulation. Do not be deceived. (KJV) Matt. 24: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.fearless2000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-6516711915822324652013-11-12T16:39:39.599-08:002013-11-12T16:39:39.599-08:00I agree with Connie with regards to the use of the...I agree with Connie with regards to the use of the all caps button. Using all caps consistently does not leave a good impression when seeking to gain credibility from your audience.<br /><br /><br />Anyway, I don't mention the Rapture or my views on the issue often because it's a divisive issue that can turn a certain segment of people off if you don't agree with them. Based on your reaction I suspect you think I am Pre-Trib, which isn't the case.Prophecy Proof Insightshttp://prophecyproof.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-75890812119814733522013-11-12T09:04:30.440-08:002013-11-12T09:04:30.440-08:00Wayne can certainly speak for himself, but I felt ...Wayne can certainly speak for himself, but I felt the need to say something here. First, there is no reason to use all caps because "that is just me." Just turn off the all caps button. It is really annoying to read all caps and you automatically set people's backs up against anything you want to say before you even say anything. Second, did you read his article? From what you wrote, it would appear that you think he holds to a pre-trib view. If you bother reading his articles you will find he does not, nor does he even mention his view in this article. He was simply commenting on the speculation some people have made about the date mentioned above. i know as a blog writer that nothing is more annoying than people not reading your article thoroughly, assuming that they know what you have written when really they have no clue, and then making foolish comments because they have NOT read the article thoroughly. If you are going to go to people's blogs and make critical comments, at least have the decency to read them first to know what they are saying.Connie45noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-27719359144531826772013-11-11T09:11:21.571-08:002013-11-11T09:11:21.571-08:00Jer 25:4 And the LORD has sent to you all His ser...Jer 25:4 And the LORD has sent to you all His servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, but you have not listened nor inclined your ear to hear. Jer 35:15 I have also sent to you all My servants the prophets, rising up early and sending them, saying, 'Turn now everyone from his evil way, amend your doings, and do not go after other gods to serve them; then you will dwell in the land which I have given you and your fathers.' But you have not inclined your ear, nor obeyed Me. Dan 9:6 Neither have we heeded Your servants the prophets, who spoke in Your name to our kings and our princes, to our fathers and all the people of the land. Dan 9:10 We have not obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in His laws, which He set before us by His servants the prophets. *****Amo 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets. Zec 1:6 Yet surely My words and My statutes, Which I commanded My servants the prophets, Did they not overtake your fathers? "So they returned and said: 'Just as the LORD of hosts determined to do to us, According to our ways and according to our deeds, So He has dealt with us.' " ' " Rev 10:7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets. (YOU'VE GOT TO ASK YOURSELF WHO ARE THESE SERVANTS??? BECAUSE IT SURE LOOKS LIKE HE-"YAHWEH" IS REVEALING HIS SECRETS TO! LET ME ALSO SAY THIS....YOU SAY THAT YOU LIKE RESEARCHING AND ANALIZING....GO AND RESEARCH THE ORIGINS OF THE RAPTURE, AND HOW IT CAME TO BE..., AND WHY. OUR HEAVENLY FATHER IS BUILDING AN END TIMES ARMY, FOR WHAT? TO FIGHT IN HEAVEN??? WHY WOULD FATHER RAPTURE US TO FIGHT IN HEAVEN? DO YOU NOT THINK THAT FATHER CAN HANDLE WHAT HAPPENS IN HEAVEN? IT'S EARTH THAT'S WHERE THE BATTLE IS FOUGHT! FATHER WISHES THAT NONE PARISH....OUR LEAVING EARTH WITH SO MANY LEFT BEHIND IS NOT LOVE....AND IF YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT'S LOOKING TO FLY AWAY WHILE THERE ARE LIVES TO BE SAVED THEN THE LOVE OF YAHWEH IS NOT IN YOU AND YOU'VE PUT YOURSELF ABOVE HIM. LOOK, I MEAN NO OFFENSE BY USING LARGE LETTERS, I'M NOT YELLING OR SCREAMING AS PEOPLE ASSUME. IT'S JUST ME. OH AND THE LAW HAS NOT BEEN DONE AWAY WITH AS SOME WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE.....FIND OUT WHY THE JEWS MISSED THE FIRST COMING OF MESSIAH, AND WHY THEY ARE STILL MISSING IT TO THIS DAY...IT'S ALL IN THE BOOK. WHAT REALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION ABOUT YOU IS THAT YOU LIKE RESEARCH, IF YOU TAKE THE WORD OF YAH BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL ORIGINS AND WITH THE HELP OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, LET HIM TEACH YOU THE TRUTH....JUST ASK HIM.)FORERUNNER4YAHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-72375245029111013202013-09-26T19:12:47.092-07:002013-09-26T19:12:47.092-07:00What concerns me is that at the very end of the la...What concerns me is that at the very end of the last two Jewish sabbatical years (7year periods) we have had a disaster. The first one was Sept 2001, and seven years later in 2008 with the housing/stock market crash. Both of these events happened exactly at the end of a sabbatical year. What resulted after these events, in my opinion, matches the description of the first two seals of the scroll in Revelations. For example, since 9/11 the spirit of conquering and to conquer has gone out into the world. Nations and ideologies have been defined, battle lines have been drawn and no one sees a solution to any of it except conquering. In 2008 the housing market crash exposed the fiat currency deception world wide. Peace has been taken from the earth over economic strife because we all know now that money is no longer real, but assumed. It is based on debt, not hard assets. The reality of money no longer exists for any nation, and the fall of the worlds currencies is only a matter of time. The next sabbatical year will end in Sept 2015. If we are seeing the seals being opened, then we will see a disaster that will result in global economic downfall and famine or food rationing. Just throwing that out there, and only time will tell. B-mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-78185179731284072252013-04-17T16:33:53.153-07:002013-04-17T16:33:53.153-07:00Thank you. I may do that.Thank you. I may do that.Connienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-40924061203305888732013-04-17T12:56:53.628-07:002013-04-17T12:56:53.628-07:00Feel free to post links to your articles if they s...Feel free to post links to your articles if they save you the time in writing.a responseProphecy Proof Insightshttp://prophecyproof.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-10491833914053874882013-04-10T18:46:32.453-07:002013-04-10T18:46:32.453-07:00Let's take an honest grammatical look at 2 The...Let's take an honest grammatical look at 2 Thess. 2:1-4<br /><br /> [1] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, (this is clearly referring to the 2nd coming, as that is the only "coming" spoken of in the New Testament) and by our gathering together unto him, (the rapture - notice that the 2nd coming precedes the rapture in this verse.) <br /><br />[2]<br /> That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, <br />nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (another name for the Day of the Lord) is at hand. [In other words, Paul is saying don't be afraid that the 2nd coming has happened (which initiates the Day of the Lord) and that you have not been taken in the rapture. Now why should they NOT be afraid that they have missed the Lord's Second Coming and being taken? Because there are signs that they will see beforehand and thereby know.]<br /><br />[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day <br />(to what day is he referring? The day mentioned in the first two verses. The day when the 2nd coming occurs, Christ gathers (raptures) His elect, and then the Day of the Lord begins) shall NOT COME, EXCEPT there come a falling away FIRST, (the 2nd coming, the gathering, and the day of the Lord/Christ cannot occur until AFTER has been a falling away first, an apostasia, BEFORE the 2nd coming/rapture) and that man of <br />sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (the antichrist or beast is revealed at the abomination of desolation. This must occur before the 2nd coming, the gathering, and the Day of Christ/Lord.)<br /><br />[4] Who opposeth and <br />exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so<br /> that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is<br /> God.(the abomination)<br /><br />Some pre-trib say that the falling away is another way of saying the rapture, but the word "apostasia" means forsaking, so obviously it is not referring to a rapture. Not to mention that gathering together is not the same as falling away. They are opposites.<br /><br />Let's look at another clue.<br /><br />1 Cor. 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: (the last trump is the last trumpet, the seventh trumpet) for the <br />trumpet shall sound, [Rev. 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, <br />saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, (Christ is crowned king of kings and takes the earth back from Satan's reign)<br />and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.] and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, [Rev. 11:18 And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, (Day of the Lord) and the TIME OF THE DEAD, THAT THEY SHOULD BE JUDGED, (resurrection) and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD UNTO THEY SERVANTS the prophets, AND TO THE SAINTS, (rapture and Bema judgment) and them that fear <br />thy name, small and great; and shouldest DESTROY THEM (God's wrath, Day of the Lord) which destroy the <br />earth.] and we <br />shall be changed. Clearly Rev. 11:15-18 describes the 2nd coming and resurrection/rapture event, followed by God's wrath.<br /><br />And yes Paul did know about the last trump. It is a Jewish teaching that three events occur at the last trump. The coming of the Messiah, the resurrection of the dead, and the Day of the Lord. It is the traditional teaching surrounding Yom Kippur. Even if he didn't know to what it referred, God does and God is the true author of Scripture. Daniel did not understand what he wrote, but he wrote it for our benefit. Paul gave us the essential clue for timing, but everyone ignores it.Connienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-28851232821709594592013-04-09T18:16:55.150-07:002013-04-09T18:16:55.150-07:00Your confusing the rapture-- meeting the lord in t...Your confusing the rapture-- meeting the lord in the air, - Not Jesus's second coming. With Jesus's second coming which will occurs at the end of the tribulation. This confusion is what created the two Pre-post trib theories in the first place. Jesus does not come in the pre trib. We are however raptured in the pre trib.Shaunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-24912736720227559802013-04-09T18:12:20.475-07:002013-04-09T18:12:20.475-07:00Tell where the word trinity is in the bible, its n...Tell where the word trinity is in the bible, its not.. Its a modern word we use to describe the divinity. Same goes with Rapture. In the original Greek the word is -snatched away-.. Use some common sense in the one taken and the other left parables. . You come to the "Mystery" which was clearly described yet not named. Hense the modern word rapture.Shaunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-23177283280221410152013-03-28T18:05:06.599-07:002013-03-28T18:05:06.599-07:00Where are these 5 crowns mentioned in scripture?Where are these 5 crowns mentioned in scripture?fearless2000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-56304255227273327432013-03-28T17:45:26.000-07:002013-03-28T17:45:26.000-07:00there are 5 crowns for believers-1for those found ...there are 5 crowns for believers-1for those found watching and 1for those found rejoicing at his return we are commanded to know to earn these crowns . only the sleeping church will not know the day or hour.DANIELnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-35236868907058228342013-03-28T17:37:38.618-07:002013-03-28T17:37:38.618-07:00SEPT.13 2015 -RAPTURE-OBAMA WILL LEAD EU IN 2016-H...SEPT.13 2015 -RAPTURE-OBAMA WILL LEAD EU IN 2016-HEWILL MAKE 7YR. PEACE DEAL WITH ISRAELDANIELnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-50522057418009664622012-10-15T01:34:07.798-07:002012-10-15T01:34:07.798-07:00Dear brother and sisters!
Yes, Jesus come bac...Dear brother and sisters!<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Yes, Jesus come back at Yom Kippur 2015, on<br />23./24. October 2015! This date is right, but it is "only" a<br />time-prophecy, but there is no special messeage in. <br /><br /><br />So there is another study, which confirms<br />also this return of Jesus Christ on that day, but with a message of repentance<br />and reversal, als written in Relevation 18:1-3, which will enligthen the<br />whole earth in the last 3 years!<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Please come and study it too! Read<br />www.lastcountdown.org <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Thank you and give the Holy Spirit the<br />possibility to change your character (Rom 12:1).Gerhardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-31521857986193747422012-08-17T11:40:38.678-07:002012-08-17T11:40:38.678-07:00It sounds like you and them speak completely diffe...It sounds like you and them speak completely different languages...<br /><br /><br />I don't know how the layout of the comments system changed. If it proves to be a problem I'll see if I can get the old layout back.Prophecy Proof Insightshttp://prophecyproof.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-67575335770014332662012-08-16T16:02:59.704-07:002012-08-16T16:02:59.704-07:00I don't think I'm ever going to get an ans...I don't think I'm ever going to get an answer to the questions I asked this group. They got off on going into some bizarre teachings on the abomination of desolation. First they tell me the temple is our bodies, then they say the the first half of the 70th week was Christ's ministry, and his crucifixion was the abomination, but only the first of a list of abominations that somehow all fit into this mid-point, and the second half of this week is about to begin. They totally lost me with their reasoning. Talk about spiritualization. I gave up on them. Couldn't compete with their reasoning or lack thereof.Connienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-86392139054369968692012-08-14T22:24:15.378-07:002012-08-14T22:24:15.378-07:00That's exactly where I am in understanding as ...That's exactly where I am in understanding as well. I hear many talking of a pre-trb rapture but the Bible clearly states that we (saved Christians) will be united with Christ at the last trumpet sound, and after the dead in Christ rises first (first resurrection). Thanks for the response.Scott Winberghttp://www.facebook.com/scott.winberg1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-12642848517864282422012-08-14T14:24:35.668-07:002012-08-14T14:24:35.668-07:00I wouldn't underestimate their ability to come...I wouldn't underestimate their ability to come up with an explanation that leaves you totally perplexed. Prophecy Proof Insightshttp://prophecyproof.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-8334676177242124302012-08-14T12:21:23.195-07:002012-08-14T12:21:23.195-07:00I'm glad you think they do. A lot of people w...I'm glad you think they do. A lot of people would naysay you on that opinion. ;-) I've got one dialogue going on now with a group who feel the temple (that the abomination is set up in) stands for our bodies or hearts. Can't wrap my head around how they can think that given some of the Scriptures about the event and the fact that if AC sits in the temple (and they think it is their heart), they are basically saying he is sitting in their hearts, meaning they accept him and forsake Christ. Don't think they've taken that idea to its logical conclusion. Also waiting for an explanation about Rev. 11 where John is told to measure the temple and the altar, etc. Should be very interesting to see how they spiritualize it.Connienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-75988862631926782702012-08-13T21:46:29.511-07:002012-08-13T21:46:29.511-07:00Your contributions are welcomed. People learn from...Your contributions are welcomed. People learn from youProphecy Proof Insightshttp://prophecyproof.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-29595392894079306092012-08-13T14:31:22.139-07:002012-08-13T14:31:22.139-07:00Thank you for the compliment, but I want to be car...Thank you for the compliment, but I want to be careful not to run roughshod over you on your own blog.Connienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-18749347874076594972012-08-12T20:58:36.887-07:002012-08-12T20:58:36.887-07:00I believe there will be a Rapture, but not a Pre-T...I believe there will be a Rapture, but not a Pre-Trib one.Prophecy Proof Insightshttp://prophecyproof.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5753317119296102246.post-80081309234990699422012-08-12T20:56:59.073-07:002012-08-12T20:56:59.073-07:00I don't mind if you try to answer people's...I don't mind if you try to answer people's questions. You are very knowledgeable Connie. 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